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Posté par Tribune Aquila, 06.12.2018 - 22:24
Greetings AtWar community,

As the title suggests, I intend to propose that our new owner disband all coalitions. I don't believe that this is a popular decision, nor is it an easy decision, but I believe it is a worthwhile decision. The toxicity of our community does not stem from individuals, but from the petty and, by and large, meaningless disputes among the coalitions of AtWar. What coalitions do is allow for our tribal nature as individuals to supplant what we have in common as a community. We all enjoy the game, we all enjoy competition, but at what point does "competition" destroy the social fabric of our community? When we segregate ourselves into "The Empire," "The Kebal," "SP Police," and "rp is god," we tend to value the players of our ingroup over the other 99% of players. This is not healthy, and if we continue on this trajectory, AtWar will never be as good of a game as it could be.

One might argue that the problem lies not with the coalitions, but with specific players who, for the sake of meaningful debate, I will not mention. The problem with this idea is that players can be handled individually; they can be punished and ostracized from the wider community if they do not abide to the basic moral standards of AtWar. Coalitions, however, are part of a much more ingrained system that fosters this sort of toxic behavior. It is the system that's wrong, it's the system that needs reformed and no one is willing to talk about it.

As a community, we have become so accustomed to toxic behavior that we don't know what it is like behave otherwise; this trend has only become more and more profound as the years go by. Something must be done, and I believe that our new owner might be the champion we need for a kinder, gentler community that works together and not against each other.

Thank you
07.12.2018 - 19:10
 Acquiesce (Mod)
On a serious note, I do think a limitation on max players per clan would serve this game well. It would spread out that talent and result in more clans. And it's hard to be tribal in groups of 10.
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07.12.2018 - 19:13
Ecrit par Acquiesce, 07.12.2018 at 19:10

On a serious note, I do think a limitation on max players per clan would serve this game well. It would spread out that talent and result in more clans. And it's hard to be tribal in groups of 10.

Eh, currently there are really few clans that can get 3 people online for a cw at a time. If you spread the players out more, this gets worse.
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07.12.2018 - 19:15
 Acquiesce (Mod)
Ecrit par Tirpitz406, 07.12.2018 at 19:13

Eh, currently there are really few clans that can get 3 people online for a cw at a time. If you spread the players out more, this gets worse.


This is a good point but I think it will be mitigated by their just being more clans to CW in total. Also 2v2 CWs!
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07.12.2018 - 19:20
Ecrit par Acquiesce, 07.12.2018 at 19:15

This is a good point but I think it will be mitigated by their just being more clans to CW in total. Also 2v2 CWs!

3v3's>2v2's but thats just a personal opinion. Imagine the extremes though, to get a clearer grip on the muddy middle. Imagine there only being 2 clans with all competitive players. Then every evening, there probably would be enough people online in both clans to have a couple clan wars, maybe even 2 or 3 at a time. I mean, imagine all competitive players you know, there probably are more than 6 on at any given time, right?

On the other hand, imagine there being 20 clans with 5 members each. How many times would these clans have enough people online to cw? sure, you get more clans, but the chance for one having enough people online is just much lower, even if, in total there would be enough competitive players online to potentially have a cw.
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07.12.2018 - 19:24
 Acquiesce (Mod)
Ecrit par Tirpitz406, 07.12.2018 at 19:20

3v3's>2v2's but thats just a personal opinion. Imagine the extremes though, to get a clearer grip on the muddy middle. Imagine there only being 2 clans with all competitive players. Then every evening, there probably would be enough people online in both clans to have a couple clan wars, maybe even 2 or 3 at a time. I mean, imagine all competitive players you know, there probably are more than 6 on at any given time, right?

On the other hand, imagine there being 20 clans with 5 members each. How many times would these clans have enough people online to cw? sure, you get more clans, but the chance for one having enough people online is just much lower, even if, in total there would be enough competitive players online to potentially have a cw.


Hmm, yeah that's a pretty solid argument. I suppose I was imagining this happening in a context where the game is experiencing more growth/retention. The ideal is more clans than we currently have while still maintaining at least the CW activity we enjoy now.
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07.12.2018 - 20:27
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07.12.2018 - 22:28
>>The toxicity of our community does not stem from individuals, but from the petty and, by and large, meaningless disputes among the coalitions of AtWar.

Are you sure about that?

Here's a few messages I got from you in the last casual game the both of us were in. I'd never had any previous contact with you before, and then, out of the blue, I get a series of messages saying

https://gyazo.com/646960c338bc7fbeefdb15b52e4a2926

You went out of your way to inform me that I suck and spew curses, instead of giving me advice and just telling me what you'd want me to do. Then, you left the game on turn 4, taking all 3 of your alt accounts with you, despite me doing exactly what you asked when I could.

If you want to start a conversation about toxicity, please take your own advice.
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08.12.2018 - 00:33
 Dave (Admin)
I appreciate the input, but I'm not disbanding coalitions. That would be such a drastic change, it's just not something I'm inclined to do.

I think there are other ways we can reduce the toxicity without taking such a huge step.
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08.12.2018 - 01:13
Rather than considering coalitions as a source of "toxicity and trouble", I would see them as an opportunity to bridge individual rants.
Just give them "real meaning" - beyond the classical competitive rivalry (that I used to follow from distance and secretly cheer) - through a set of incentives, restraints and, thus, responsibilities.
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08.12.2018 - 07:06
Ecrit par Dave, 08.12.2018 at 00:33

I appreciate the input, but I'm not disbanding coalitions. That would be such a drastic change, it's just not something I'm inclined to do.

I think there are other ways we can reduce the toxicity without taking such a huge step.

A much more appropriate step is to limit Coalition numbers, a similar tactic used in most mobile games eg: clash of clans.

Also can fcd3 vouch support for scenario CW as would make more interesting dynamics for scenario players/teammates instead of only for competitive based gameplay.
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10.12.2018 - 16:30
 Lelouch. (Mod)
Ecrit par Acquiesce, 07.12.2018 at 19:10

On a serious note, I do think a limitation on max players per clan would serve this game well. It would spread out that talent and result in more clans. And it's hard to be tribal in groups of 10.

Games like Clash of Clans do this. That game has a cap on the amount of players per clan, meaning that you can't simply have a huge clan with everyone in it. However, this would decrease the accessibility of new/bad players to good clans, which may seem like a problem for some. I wouldn't see this as a problem though. This idea could promote the game's competitiveness.
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