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Ecrit par Dave, 16.04.2025 at 17:34

I don't always agree with you Tengri but at least you make way better meme videos

I don't always agree with you Dave but i still remember your class acts and good behaviours towards me and others. However, I think that you are overreacting since that laochra forum drama and i cant forgive you for destroying our little family here on aw

I don't know who the fucking idiot is, but stop ddosing atwar for fucks sake, I don't know what you are trying to achieve.

Ecrit par 77TENGRI99, 16.04.2025 at 17:24

Only made for fani and lauf
(i been to some dc servers like this )

Thanks for including me g

A sum up of this thread. Nero brings back up waffles old thank you letter and starts asking for players to be unbanned. Waffel writes up his thesis on why he should be unbanned Dave ignores it all because he didn't want to read it. Dave says he'd be willing to review the cases on banned players waffle reach's out and Dave blocks him on discord. Waffle continues his thesis and still gets ignored. Dave then claims that waffle is a troublemaker and making up drama(when waffle didn't start the unban thing nero did as I said before) waffle gets mad about being ignored and tells Dave to kill himself and that is the only thing Dave gleaned from this entire thing.(Dave was referring to f u waffles so he really cant act innocent) am I right Dave can correct, or me if I'm wrong.

Ecrit par El Serbio, 16.04.2025 at 11:25

Are you programmer? If you are, then help Dave implement AI in game if is it that simple. If you are not, than better shut up about things you know nothing.. Adding Ai features is maybe easy, but adding it to existing code that is already bad and messed up is headache.. As Dave already said, sometimes is easier to create whole game from scratch than updating it with new features.

Wow, I didn't expect such a hostile response. I'll break it down into parts to make sure I get my point across this time. One last try. The thread is going to die now anyways, judging by Dave's last comment.

"Are you a programmer?"
Yes, I'm a software engineer and a business owner, like Dave, actually. I never claimed to be anything else. Learning about history and playing strategy games just happens to be my hobby since I was a teen. So we both like atwar... one fewer reason to hate each other.

"If you are (a programmer), then help Dave implement AI in game..."
Definitely not helping Dave (the game, rather) out of spite, although I would be open for it, that's up to him, not me (...) and I highly doubt he couldn't find someone for the job if he wanted to. Additionally, that's not the appropriate format to approach this anyway - there's no API or a modding toolkit, atwar is a makeshift game in the browser with clearly outdated tech, you know.

"...if is it that simple. (adding AI to the game)"
I never said it is simple. I always emphasize that it is difficult, I just tend to bring it up as an example because I genuinely believe it would vastly improve the game and it's something I - personally - want to see. Basically if you read my very first comment in this thread, I also claimed there that I'm aware of the difficulties.

"If you are not, than better shut up about things you know nothing.." -> I already clarified that I am, so the conditional is false... you may or may not read this paragraph
I will not comment on the shut up part, however, my knowledge in game development is OK. It's neither expert nor rookie level. All I know derives from my years of experience playing strategy games and what I know about programming in general. In other words, I never tried to sit down and create a game myself, but I have a deep understanding of the technical background, if that makes sense. As an analogy: like an auto mechanic who specializes in repairing Porsche vehicles, but he could also look into a BMW's issues, given he's exercising a little caution and studies the specifics beforehand (...) the result won't be perfect, but he can deliver results consistently at the least.

"Adding Ai features is maybe easy, but adding it to existing code that is already bad and messed up is headache.."
I would say it is the opposite; creating a complex AI bot for a task is much harder than integrating it into a pre-existing ecosystem (the game in our case). In terms of programming, it could be compared to the difficulties of hosting/operating a website vs making a blank html website for your IT teacher in school, or turning a singleplayer game into online multiplayer. If you specifically referred to the optimization part though and you are also speculating that the game's code is this messy, then both aspects are difficult indeed.

"As Dave already said, sometimes is easier to create whole game from scratch than updating it with new features."
I have no idea what Dave did or didn't say in this regard, but I can fortunately tell you again, this is precisely what I said in my first comment in this thread:
'Implement some of the suggestions that people keep pushing in a feedback format for years. Adding bots for instance - I know it is a huge challenge programming wise.'
As I explained earlier, this is something that I genuinely believe to be an incredibly good addition and I have a subjective bias for it. If you read this carefully, you will notice that you could replace this sentence with 'add custom strategies in the map editor' for instance, and my point would be the same - to make updates to the game at ANY scale because it has been stalling for years. It was Sphinx who derailed my original message because I made the mistake of quoting him. It's also very likely that he doesn't even know about my first msg, he just jumped on me without prior knowledge.
I also said the following:
'Alternatively, you could keep the existing IP and make atWar 2. That way, the core legacy playerbase (veterans) could stay here and enjoy the game until they (or you) see fit.'
I think this clarifies to you that I'm aware it might be easier to do. But then do it, stop sitting still. Don't let it stagnate until there's no players left. A videogame is not a Disney movie that you can remake in live adaptation to refresh the copyright ownership 60 years later. That was my whole point with this. Lecturing you, Sphinx or Dave about programming was not on my bucket list. I'm also pretty sure Dave could do it better than me - he knows much more about the game's code and his experience with game development is surely higher than mine (which is nearly zero, quite easy to beat).

Lmao

The amount of time and effort that was spent on this topic,wish it was spent on improvement on the game called atwar. Seems like its fate is to die slowly. Wish you guys all the best.

Ecrit par Nanoknight, 17.04.2025 at 04:04

Citer:

Are you programmer? If you are, then help Dave implement AI in game if is it that simple.

Doesn't matter if one is a programmer, the owner is responsible for the handling of whatever software, and also as the owner chooses or not to hire/trust someone to work on whatever, atWar isn't some open source project where "hur dur if you want it, just do it yourself" is a valid counter-argument.

Based on what Dave has said, and knowing about web development history, I can believe there is less effort in starting from scratch, for an improved experience.
Not entirely related, but look at what just happened to 4chan, they were using very unsafe, old libraries and subsequently, finally got "nuked"

I am just saying that its not easy as people think.. They see 50minute tutorial on youtube and they think they can became programmers in 1h or they can create a game with 1h youtube video.. Dave said many times that code of this game is whole mess. If he created that mess, he could've implement new features much easier, but changing someone else's code is just pain in ass..

Citer:

Are you programmer? If you are, then help Dave implement AI in game if is it that simple.

Doesn't matter if one is a programmer, the owner is responsible for the handling of whatever software, and also as the owner chooses or not to hire/trust someone to work on whatever, atWar isn't some open source project where "hur dur if you want it, just do it yourself" is a valid counter-argument.

Based on what Dave has said, and knowing about web development history, I can believe there is less effort in starting from scratch, for an improved experience.
Not entirely related, but look at what just happened to 4chan, they were using very unsafe, old libraries and subsequently, finally got "nuked"

Im proud of you kid

Make more vids you cunts they getting betterrrr

You did Waffel dirty lol

Ecrit par clovis1122, 16.04.2025 at 12:00

Bro thats puchao, probably the only player I have banned from my games and I have on blacklist.
What do you want me to say? He always trolled, always will, just dont allow him to play the maps, if everyone bann him from their games he won't ruin anything anymore (tho still not a good reason to perma bann or IP bann or sorta from atwar in general).

Ecrit par 77TENGRI99, 16.04.2025 at 17:24

Only made for fani and lauf
(i been to some dc servers like this )

I don't always agree with you Tengri but at least you make way better meme videos

(this one is kinda accurate tbh)

Ecrit par Epixepiste, 16.04.2025 at 16:24

Dave, I understand your position and the frustration over what happened, but I hope you'll reconsider. While Lion made a poor decision years ago, I believe the community is better with him than without. It's not worth dwelling indefinitely on a single, admittedly stupid mistake—especially one made so long ago. I don't know exactly what was lost on Discord, but I find it hard to believe any of the content was so vital that it warrants a permanent ban. And with all due respect, if it was truly vital, Discord might not have been the best place to store it.

I recall you mentioning a background in criminal justice buried in the forums of that other thread. Given that, I imagine you'd agree that while some actions can't be undone, that doesn't mean a person is beyond redemption. What matters is whether they're willing to make things right and contribute positively going forward. From what I've seen, Lion was one of the few who actively supported others, helped newcomers, and added real value to the community. I genuinely believe his return would have a more positive impact than the status quo.

Dave, I believe that if you do care for Atwar, a good way to have the community stay healthy is to have people like Lion be a part of it.

I hear you, I do.

Ecrit par Epixepiste, 16.04.2025 at 16:24

It might even get the more noisy people to stop spamming you to unban truly troublesome people for maybe an afternoon

This though.... the more people spam me the less I want to do it. I don't want anything I do to be perceived as rewarding their bad behavior!

Only made for fani and lauf
(i been to some dc servers like this )

Ecrit par Dave, 16.04.2025 at 14:29

Ecrit par Epixepiste, 16.04.2025 at 12:23

He was always kind and is the only banned player that can justifiably be unbanned. He was kind enough to show me a ton of tricks in atwar when I was still learning, and overall, he was a great person to play scens with every time I interacted with him. I don't know the full drama other than him deleting a Discord server, but I don't think a permanent ban is justified. It's genuinely been years, and he's almost certainly the type to not be a repeat offender or toxic.

Lion is likely the only player the scenario community cares about.

PS: Don't ban me, I don't care about comp players drama, or really atwar forums in general.

Lion apologized which I appreciated, but that's not enough. He needs to make us whole. I said he could come back if he restored the content he deleted from Discord. Of course that's impossible since there was no backup (and he should have thought about this before he did it!)

So here we are, he apologized but we still haven't been made whole. Unless he can think of some other way to compensate us for the damage he caused, he's never coming back.

I would just give up hope of ever seeing your friend Lion on here again.

Dave, I understand your position and the frustration over what happened, but I hope you'll reconsider. While Lion made a poor decision years ago, I believe the community is better with him than without. It's not worth dwelling indefinitely on a single, admittedly stupid mistake—especially one made so long ago. I don't know exactly what was lost on Discord, but I find it hard to believe any of the content was so vital that it warrants a permanent ban. And with all due respect, if it was truly vital, Discord might not have been the best place to store it.

I recall you mentioning a background in criminal justice buried in the forums of that other thread. Given that, I imagine you'd agree that while some actions can't be undone, that doesn't mean a person is beyond redemption. What matters is whether they're willing to make things right and contribute positively going forward. From what I've seen, Lion was one of the few who actively supported others, helped newcomers, and added real value to the community. I genuinely believe his return would have a more positive impact than the status quo.

Dave, I believe that if you do care for Atwar, a good way to have the community stay healthy is to have people like Lion be a part of it.


It might even get the more noisy people to stop spamming you to unban truly troublesome people for maybe an afternoon

It's not my fight to fight, so this will probably be my last contribution but I would like to just say that nobody here (except for some retards you know who...) wants to see atwar die, we all like atwar and want to see it very active. We care a lot about this game and so we have a lot of emotions which has been misguided (refer to my previous posts). I also wish to add that if the people are given stuff they will give back. I hope everyone who has the chance to contact dave about being unbanned does in fact do that. If the game seems some rise in clan war activity i think ill finally release my collection of videos and release some tutorials, I promise that i am very enthusiastic about the tutorials and helping the game just as many others are, I just hope some chances are given and if you want to discuss this dave I don't mind helping anywhere if it means some more of my friends and the community being helped, and i understand youre busy, however most people here are and they still log on, even the banned friends that i'd like to see come back still enjoy this game and so i hope this reaches the right place

Ecrit par Kaska, 16.04.2025 at 14:55

Metyu good dog lol

Casca

Good work, Dave, you made a huge, meaningful step forward.

Now it's time to ban Croat, or unban others, or preferably both, but pick something.

Ecrit par dave is fat, 16.04.2025 at 14:56

Pro tip to dave

kill urself

I'm leaving this one here just so everyone can see the level of intelligent argument we have to deal with

Predictable outcome ngl

Ecrit par Grand Inquisitor, 16.04.2025 at 14:59

Ecrit par Kaska, 16.04.2025 at 14:55

Metyu good dog lol

Insults like this, insta ban, this is worse then calling somebody gay

Rip our dearest french, but like Swans would say here, "c'est la vie!", there's a strict policy about toxicity so F

Ecrit par Dave, 16.04.2025 at 14:24

Okay, I've let this go on long enough.

There is apparently an alternate reality existing within the AW community built on lies and misunderstandings, and I'm blaming Waffel for spreading it. It's predictable, every time I tell him "here are the facts, X, Y, and Z", he twists it to mean the opposite and throws it back with a bunch of lies and other bullshit. atWar has enough problems already, we really don't need a guy like that "poisoning the well" deliberately. I'm pretty sure he's doing it just for the sake of the drama. He cannot possibly be serious or believe his own BS.

So I've gone ahead and deleted and device-banned Waffel's alt. Since his main acc had an existing ban in place, he should not have been here posting on an alt, and I should not have allowed him to do it for so long. I'm going to follow AW policy on this one moving forward.

For those of you who may believe Waffel's warped reality and/or don't like what I'm doing, I invite you to delete your accounts yourselves. Here's how to do it:

1) go to your user profile, click Edit Profile:



2) scroll to the bottom and click "Delete Account":



If anyone else wants to actually discuss this topic with me please feel free to do so -- as long as you keep it respectful and factual you can disagree with me all you want. I don't ban people over differences of opinion. I will however ban rude/disrespectful behavior, and especially any significant efforts to lie to the AW community as was the case here.

Thank you a lot, will use those steps briefly

Ecrit par Kaska, 16.04.2025 at 14:55

Metyu good dog lol

Insults like this, insta ban, this is worse then calling somebody gay

Ecrit par Palmitas, 16.04.2025 at 14:45

Despite me not agreeing with you on many facts, I would never delete my account because of an issue like this, doesnt matter how active or inactive i am. I love atWar and its community and its the reason some of us are angry (and rude aswell) but that is because we care about the game

We all love AW, but the problem remains the same as I pointed out in my previous post: lack of content, improvements, quality of gameplay, and of course, a dying community. Very little time is invested in developing meaningful changes, and instead, the players gets punished (what!?)

Pro tip to dave

kill urself

Metyu good dog lol

Ecrit par Dave, 16.04.2025 at 14:24

Okay, I've let this go on long enough.

There is apparently an alternate reality existing within the AW community built on lies and misunderstandings, and I'm blaming Waffel for spreading it. It's predictable, every time I tell him "here are the facts, X, Y, and Z", he twists it to mean the opposite and throws it back with a bunch of lies and other bullshit. atWar has enough problems already, we really don't need a guy like that "poisoning the well" deliberately. I'm pretty sure he's doing it just for the sake of the drama. He cannot possibly be serious or believe his own BS.

So I've gone ahead and deleted and device-banned Waffel's alt. Since his main acc had an existing ban in place, he should not have been here posting on an alt, and I should not have allowed him to do it for so long. I'm going to follow AW policy on this one moving forward.

For those of you who may believe Waffel's warped reality and/or don't like what I'm doing, I invite you to delete your accounts yourselves. Here's how to do it:

1) go to your user profile, click Edit Profile:



2) scroll to the bottom and click "Delete Account":



If anyone else wants to actually discuss this topic with me please feel free to do so -- as long as you keep it respectful and factual you can disagree with me all you want. I don't ban people over differences of opinion. I will however ban rude/disrespectful behavior, and especially any significant efforts to lie to the AW community as was the case here.

Despite me not agreeing with you on many facts, I would never delete my account because of an issue like this, doesnt matter how active or inactive i am. I love atWar and its community and its the reason some of us are angry (and rude aswell) but that is because we care about the game

Ecrit par tempthesavior, 16.04.2025 at 14:25

HE DID NOTHING WRONG

dude you got a ban from Brianwl of all people, and he never bans anybody. You have nothing to say. Go back to your ban