Why antisemitism exists in 2015?

How can antisemitism still exist in 2015? why do people still follow outdated and bigot beliefs?

Ecrit par Tundy, 10.12.2015 at 21:42

How can antisemitism still exist in 2015? why do people still follow outdated and bigot beliefs?

It's like asking, why do Christianity, Islam and the rest of the heathen religions still exist in 2015? why do people still follow outdated and bigot beliefs?
Because practice?

Hateful propaganda is like Anonymous. Whilst the essence lives, anyone can put on a mask.

I don't know Tunder, how about you tell us why Islamaphobia exists in 2015?

http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=23247&board_page=2

Ecrit par Sheba, 10.12.2015 at 22:56

I don't know Tunder, how about you tell us why Islamaphobia exists in 2015?

http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=23247&board_page=2

Facts are neutral. antisimetism is not

Ecrit par Sheba, 10.12.2015 at 22:56

I don't know Tunder, how about you tell us why Islamaphobia exists in 2015?

http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=23247&board_page=2

I think I did a swell job in off topic

Ecrit par Tundy, 11.12.2015 at 05:42

Ecrit par Sheba, 10.12.2015 at 22:56

I don't know Tunder, how about you tell us why Islamaphobia exists in 2015?

http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=23247&board_page=2

Facts are neutral.

>tunder
>facts
>neutral


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Shocking that the islamic middle east and north africa are antisemitic

Ecrit par Sheba, 10.12.2015 at 22:56

I don't know Tunder, how about you tell us why Islamaphobia exists in 2015?

http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=23247&board_page=2

I'm still trying to figure out how posting a video of recorded islamist terror attacks is islamaphobia. It's purely documentation.

As for this thread, there is plenty documentation of French Jews leaving France for USA and Israel because they no longer feel safe in their own country.

Ecrit par Acquiesce, 11.12.2015 at 12:36

As for this thread, there is plenty documentation of French Jews leaving France for USA and Israel because they no longer feel safe in their own country.

^^

last year 100k jewish europeans arrived to israel because they did'nt feel safe in europe

None of the simple people can change the world order, everything has a reason, if simple people tried to change it they will be killed.

Drugs for example is being taught as a bad thing in most countries educational system, and the punishment for distributing it or using it is very severe. Even though these who use it only harm themselves, it's great that it's forbidden to use and that there is an educational system about it, because some drugs are very destructive. But what I think the reason behind this decision is to keep the powerful people to remain powerful.

For instance why they don't ban organization that are based on hate, and teach against discrimination, xenophobia and whatever that come along it? It's not difficult to start a new education system that teaches the young generation and prohibiting the spread of hate and discrimination.
The answer that makes the most sense is that these powerful people use this hate to exploit the people for their agendas.

I remember Arab World didn't want to buy USSR products if we don't erase jewish names on those products. USSR printed names of designers/creators on products, some of them were jewish names (millions of jews lived in USSR). So we had to remove names, ship them and they were happy.

Why does off-topic still exist in 2015?

T. Schlomo

Ecrit par ManlyMan, 11.12.2015 at 17:02

Why does off-topic still exist in 2015?

Why it shouldn't exist?

Can someone tell me why people blindly accuse different belief systems of being horrible without even looking into the entire books, as to maintain context and not take out of context, and just blindly following what others say?
People are fickle.

Mass muslim migration into europe, makes that jews leave since these migrants are antisemetic and in many cases savage. Not islamophobic. just facts

Ecrit par Acquiesce, 11.12.2015 at 12:36

Ecrit par Sheba, 10.12.2015 at 22:56

I don't know Tunder, how about you tell us why Islamaphobia exists in 2015?

http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=23247&board_page=2

I'm still trying to figure out how posting a video of recorded islamist terror attacks is islamaphobia. It's purely documentation.

As for this thread, there is plenty documentation of French Jews leaving France for USA and Israel because they no longer feel safe in their own country.

I'm not going to repeat myself again... tunder had a thread removed, because it stepped over a line... If you saw it, you wouldn't be so quick to defend him or argue he simply wants to "document" stuff... why does he feel the need to "document" all this religious stuff anyway? Can you think of any reason other than him wanting to inflame the situation?

Think a bit Acqui.

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 01:58

I'm not going to repeat myself again... tunder had a thread removed, because it stepped over a line... If you saw it, you wouldn't be so quick to defend him or argue he simply wants to "document" stuff... why does he feel the need to "document" all this religious stuff anyway? Can you think of any reason other than him wanting to inflame the situation?

Think a bit Acqui.

I wasn't even replying to you so I don't know why you feel the need to "repeat yourself". I did see the thread that was removed and just because 1 mod decided it stepped over your imaginary line doesn't mean I agree. In any case my comment was in regards to Sheba's, in which he linked to a thread that was NOT removed, so I don't even know why I'm having this conversation with you.

As for Tunder's intentions, I can think of dozens of legitimate reasons why he might want to post that kind of video. The most obvious being that it graphically represents terror attacks in a way that most have probably never seen before. But yeah, maybe he wanted to start a discussion about militant Islam's impact on the world via terrorism? That might offend you but it's a legitimate debate that many intelligent people are having right now.

Now perhaps instead of talking down to me and asking me to "think" more as if anyone who thinks long enough would obviously come to same conclusion as you. Or attacking my character and intentions (as you've done with both myself and Tunder), you could respond only to what I say and not what you wish I'd said.

Ecrit par Acquiesce, 13.12.2015 at 11:43

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 01:58

I'm not going to repeat myself again... tunder had a thread removed, because it stepped over a line... If you saw it, you wouldn't be so quick to defend him or argue he simply wants to "document" stuff... why does he feel the need to "document" all this religious stuff anyway? Can you think of any reason other than him wanting to inflame the situation?

Think a bit Acqui.

I wasn't even replying to you so I don't know why you feel the need to "repeat yourself". I did see the thread that was removed and just because 1 mod decided it stepped over your imaginary line doesn't mean I agree. In any case my comment was in regards to Sheba's, in which he linked to a thread that was NOT removed, so I don't even know why I'm having this conversation with you.

As for Tunder's intentions, I can think of dozens of legitimate reasons why he might want to post that kind of video. The most obvious being that it graphically represents terror attacks in a way that most have probably never seen before. But yeah, maybe he wanted to start a discussion about militant Islam's impact on the world via terrorism? That might offend you but it's a legitimate debate that many intelligent people are having right now.

Now perhaps instead of talking down to me and asking me to "think" more as if anyone who thinks long enough would obviously come to same conclusion as you. Or attacking my character and intentions (as you've done with both myself and Tunder), you could respond only to what I say and not what you wish I'd said.

That line is only imaginary to you and your upvote hoes.

Its an open forum, If you want to take part in it, get use to the fact anyone can quote and respond to you.

Sheba couldn't exactly link a deleted thread that catagorically defines tunder as an islamophobe... which I'm still amazed you don't see the dark side of.

As an ex mod, aren't you supposed to support the decisions of other mods? My experience with e mare is pretty sour, but even i can respect him for wanting to avoid conflict in the AW community.

But I guess you don't appreciate avoiding conflict enough because you feel the need to spunk out "imaginary" reasons for him posting all this bias "data" in the first place.

But with those alternative reasons you provided, why don't we see him posting any evidence reporting muslims as peaceful, which the majority are? Why is it all "evidence" that plays into the dialogue of muslims as "hateful terrorists". Until he posts something completely unbiased like the article below, you can't claim he's considered both sides of this dialogue.. making him bias.

http://theweek.com/articles/534929/8-facts-need-know-about-islam-terrorism


I suggest you read this^ it puts a lot of tunders "evidence" into context.

I deal in facts, full facts, the kind not driven by any motive, the article above adheres to that.. it considers the full picture and provides its sources which themselves can be scrutinised. not a limited view... that "infographic" on anti semitism provides no information at all on the way in which "antisemitism" was even measured... the fact you havent even considered this shows you and tunder are willing to believe muslims are hateful.. its not just about what you say Acqui, its about what you do.. or in this instance, failed to do.

Ecrit par Tundy, 10.12.2015 at 21:42

How can antisemitism still exist in 2015? why do people still follow outdated and bigot beliefs?

Give us a link to your source, I want to see how they've measured "anti semitism" in this "info graphic" and I want to see your source.. Was this taken from an academic journal or a politically aligned print paper wesbite?

Without any of this information we might aswell assume you made this at home to inflame what is already a very precarious situation. The way we talk about islam and the way we make muslims feel as a whole.. including the silent majority who go about their daily lives peacefully is of vital importance to social cohesion at this moment in time.

If you're going to post this stuff, give us the source ffs

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 12:22

That line is only imaginary to you and your upvote hoes.

Its an open forum, If you want to take part in it, get use to the fact anyone can quote and respond to you.

Sheba couldn't exactly link a deleted thread that catagorically defines tunder as an islamophobe... which I'm still amazed you don't see the dark side of.

As an ex mod, aren't you supposed to support the decisions of other mods? My experience with e mare is pretty sour, but even i can respect him for wanting to avoid conflict in the AW community.

But I guess you don't appreciate avoiding conflict enough because you feel the need to spunk out "imaginary" reasons for him posting all this bias "data" in the first place.

But with those alternative reasons you provided, why don't we see him posting any evidence reporting muslims as peaceful, which the majority are? Why is it all "evidence" that plays into the dialogue of muslims as "hateful terrorists". Until he posts something completely unbiased like the article below, you can't claim he's considered both sides of this dialogue.. making him bias.

http://theweek.com/articles/534929/8-facts-need-know-about-islam-terrorism


I suggest you read this^ it puts a lot of tunders "evidence" into context.

I deal in facts, full facts, the kind not driven by any motive, the article above adheres to that.. it considers the full picture and provides its sources which themselves can be scrutinised. not a limited view... that "infographic" on anti semitism provides no information at all on the way in which "antisemitism" was even measured... the fact you havent even considered this shows you and tunder are willing to believe muslims are hateful.. its not just about what you say Acqui, its about what you do.. or in this instance, failed to do.

Your link is broken so I can't read your article.

It's funny that you say you deal in "facts" and then say it's a "fact" that I didn't even consider the source of the infographic. I wonder how you know this "fact"? As it happens I did look up the source (Global ADL 100). But again you love to make assumptions about me.

Here are some "facts" for you. Sources: Pew Report Executive Summary http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf NCTC report on terrorism https://asdwasecurity.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/2011_nctc_annual_report_final.pdf

Solid majorities in most of the countries surveyed across the Middle East and North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia and Southeast Asia favor the establishment of sharia, including 71% of Muslims in Nigeria, 72% in Indonesia, 74% in Egypt and 89% in the Palestinian territories. That translates to about 1.1 billion Muslims.

584 million Muslims support death for leaving Islam. 784 million support death for adultery.

1.3 billion Muslims say a wife should always obey her husband.

In some Muslim countries substantial minorities support suicide bombings for religious or political causes.

Officially, immigration to Japan is not closed to Muslims. But the number of the immigration permits given to the applicants from Islamic countries is very low. Not a single Japanese has been victim of a Muslim terrorist attack on Japanese soil in the last 30 years.

Ecrit par Acquiesce, 13.12.2015 at 13:28

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 12:22

That line is only imaginary to you and your upvote hoes.

Its an open forum, If you want to take part in it, get use to the fact anyone can quote and respond to you.

Sheba couldn't exactly link a deleted thread that catagorically defines tunder as an islamophobe... which I'm still amazed you don't see the dark side of.

As an ex mod, aren't you supposed to support the decisions of other mods? My experience with e mare is pretty sour, but even i can respect him for wanting to avoid conflict in the AW community.

But I guess you don't appreciate avoiding conflict enough because you feel the need to spunk out "imaginary" reasons for him posting all this bias "data" in the first place.

But with those alternative reasons you provided, why don't we see him posting any evidence reporting muslims as peaceful, which the majority are? Why is it all "evidence" that plays into the dialogue of muslims as "hateful terrorists". Until he posts something completely unbiased like the article below, you can't claim he's considered both sides of this dialogue.. making him bias.

http://theweek.com/articles/534929/8-facts-need-know-about-islam-terrorism


I suggest you read this^ it puts a lot of tunders "evidence" into context.

I deal in facts, full facts, the kind not driven by any motive, the article above adheres to that.. it considers the full picture and provides its sources which themselves can be scrutinised. not a limited view... that "infographic" on anti semitism provides no information at all on the way in which "antisemitism" was even measured... the fact you havent even considered this shows you and tunder are willing to believe muslims are hateful.. its not just about what you say Acqui, its about what you do.. or in this instance, failed to do.

Your link is broken so I can't read your article.

It's funny that you say you deal in "facts" and then say it's a "fact" that I didn't even consider the source of the infographic. I wonder how you know this "fact"? As it happens I did look up the source (Global ADL 100). But again you love to make assumptions about me.

Here are some "facts" for you. Sources: Pew Report Executive Summary http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf NCTC report on terrorism https://asdwasecurity.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/2011_nctc_annual_report_final.pdf

Solid majorities in most of the countries surveyed across the Middle East and North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia and Southeast Asia favor the establishment of sharia, including 71% of Muslims in Nigeria, 72% in Indonesia, 74% in Egypt and 89% in the Palestinian territories. That translates to about 1.1 billion Muslims.

584 million Muslims support death for leaving Islam. 784 million support death for adultery.

1.3 billion Muslims say a wife should always obey her husband.

In some Muslim countries substantial minorities support suicide bombings for religious or political causes.

Officially, immigration to Japan is not closed to Muslims. But the number of the immigration permits given to the applicants from Islamic countries is very low. Not a single Japanese has been victim of a Muslim terrorist attack on Japanese soil in the last 30 years.

stop being such an islamophobe acquiesce
Islam is the most peaceful religion on the face of the earth
if you disagree then we have to kill you so that other people wont listen to your false surveys and fake analysis
also stop killing Muslim babies to use their blood in your smartphones!!!

Allah Akbar!

Ecrit par Acquiesce, 13.12.2015 at 13:28

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 12:22

That line is only imaginary to you and your upvote hoes.

Its an open forum, If you want to take part in it, get use to the fact anyone can quote and respond to you.

Sheba couldn't exactly link a deleted thread that catagorically defines tunder as an islamophobe... which I'm still amazed you don't see the dark side of.

As an ex mod, aren't you supposed to support the decisions of other mods? My experience with e mare is pretty sour, but even i can respect him for wanting to avoid conflict in the AW community.

But I guess you don't appreciate avoiding conflict enough because you feel the need to spunk out "imaginary" reasons for him posting all this bias "data" in the first place.

But with those alternative reasons you provided, why don't we see him posting any evidence reporting muslims as peaceful, which the majority are? Why is it all "evidence" that plays into the dialogue of muslims as "hateful terrorists". Until he posts something completely unbiased like the article below, you can't claim he's considered both sides of this dialogue.. making him bias.

http://theweek.com/articles/534929/8-facts-need-know-about-islam-terrorism


I suggest you read this^ it puts a lot of tunders "evidence" into context.

I deal in facts, full facts, the kind not driven by any motive, the article above adheres to that.. it considers the full picture and provides its sources which themselves can be scrutinised. not a limited view... that "infographic" on anti semitism provides no information at all on the way in which "antisemitism" was even measured... the fact you havent even considered this shows you and tunder are willing to believe muslims are hateful.. its not just about what you say Acqui, its about what you do.. or in this instance, failed to do.

Your link is broken so I can't read your article.

It's funny that you say you deal in "facts" and then say it's a "fact" that I didn't even consider the source of the infographic. I wonder how you know this "fact"? As it happens I did look up the source (Global ADL 100). But again you love to make assumptions about me.

Here are some "facts" for you. Sources: Pew Report Executive Summary http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf NCTC report on terrorism https://asdwasecurity.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/2011_nctc_annual_report_final.pdf

Solid majorities in most of the countries surveyed across the Middle East and North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia and Southeast Asia favor the establishment of sharia, including 71% of Muslims in Nigeria, 72% in Indonesia, 74% in Egypt and 89% in the Palestinian territories. That translates to about 1.1 billion Muslims.

584 million Muslims support death for leaving Islam. 784 million support death for adultery.

1.3 billion Muslims say a wife should always obey her husband.

In some Muslim countries substantial minorities support suicide bombings for religious or political causes.

Officially, immigration to Japan is not closed to Muslims. But the number of the immigration permits given to the applicants from Islamic countries is very low. Not a single Japanese has been victim of a Muslim terrorist attack on Japanese soil in the last 30 years.

I'm not sure how trustworthy the ADL's "facts" are.. they defended donald trump's anti semitic comments and a quick google search implies they're connected to the republican party... nice "consideration" of your source... I love how they dont disclose the questions asked in the telephone interviews

heres that link again.

http://theweek.com/articles/534929/8-facts-need-know-about-islam-terrorism
http://theweek.com/articles/534929/8-facts-need-know-about-islam-terrorism

Please read.

Btw I'd love to hear tunder say he has nothing against islam, like you did.... But he hasnt, has he?

I dont even give a shit about this post.... the one I care about is the one that was (rightly) deleted. I'm just amazed you're defending that one....

Edit: having looked up and read about the pew research center, I can respect those points, but Sharia law has many interpretations.. including peaceful ones and none of the facts you've provided suggest the majority of muslims hate or would kill for their religion.. just like my article.

Again my problem is that you defend tunder on the post that was deleted, which made his view on muslims pretty clear, and he was encouraging others to be like him... that's not something that should be condoned in here.

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 17:08

I'm not sure how trustworthy the ADL's "facts" are.. they defended donald trump's anti semitic comments and a quick google search implies they're connected to the republican party... nice "consideration" of your source... I love how they dont disclose the questions asked in the telephone interviews

Well seeing as the ADL is literally an international Jewish NGO whose self reported mission is "to stop the defamation of the Jewish people, to secure justice and fair treatment to all citizens alike" something tells me that they aren't anti semitic. Unless they are a bunch of self hating Jews. Not only that, but if you spent a minute on their website you would see that they do in fact link to an executive summary which gives all the raw data as well as the questions asked. Looks like you are the one who needs to do some more research! http://global100.adl.org/public/ADL-Global-100-Executive-Summary.pdf

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 17:08

http://theweek.com/articles/534929/8-facts-need-know-about-islam-terrorism

Even this article makes pretty concerning claims about Islam. This is all from your own article: "In Europe, 44 percent of Muslims think that women should at all times submit to their husbands." "For example: 2.3 percent of Muslims in Europe believe that people who leave the Muslim faith should be executed. By contrast, 63 percent of Muslims in South Asia share that belief, as do 44 percent of Muslims in the Middle East, and 20 percent of Muslims in Southeast Asia." This is millions of Muslims and hundreds of thousands in Europe. "Only 18 percent of Muslims in Europe believe that sharia law should be enshrined in addition to (or in lieu of) the existing law." ONLY 18%! ONLY? That's 1/5 of EU Muslims who would prefer the law of the Koran to the laws of the people and state. Frightening.

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 17:08

Btw I'd love to hear tunder say he has nothing against islam, like you did.... But he hasnt, has he?

What is this some kind of witch hunt? You have to put a little disclaimer reminding everyone you don't hate Muslims before you post facts?

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 17:08

I dont even give a shit about this post.... the one I care about is the one that was (rightly) deleted. I'm just amazed you're defending that one....

You are literally the only one bringing up that post in this thread. If you look at my original post in this thread it's about this one and the one that wasn't deleted. So maybe you should contribute to THIS discussion or reply to the statistics I've posted above. Unless you would rather ignore facts that don't align with your worldview?

Ecrit par Acquiesce, 13.12.2015 at 17:49

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 17:08

I'm not sure how trustworthy the ADL's "facts" are.. they defended donald trump's anti semitic comments and a quick google search implies they're connected to the republican party... nice "consideration" of your source... I love how they dont disclose the questions asked in the telephone interviews

Well seeing as the ADL is literally an international Jewish NGO whose self reported mission is "to stop the defamation of the Jewish people, to secure justice and fair treatment to all citizens alike" something tells me that they aren't anti semitic. Unless they are a bunch of self hating Jews. Not only that, but if you spent a minute on their website you would see that they do in fact link to an executive summary which gives all the raw data as well as the questions asked. Looks like you are the one who needs to do some more research! http://global100.adl.org/public/ADL-Global-100-Executive-Summary.pdf

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 17:08

http://theweek.com/articles/534929/8-facts-need-know-about-islam-terrorism

Even this article makes pretty concerning claims about Islam. This is all from your own article: "In Europe, 44 percent of Muslims think that women should at all times submit to their husbands." "For example: 2.3 percent of Muslims in Europe believe that people who leave the Muslim faith should be executed. By contrast, 63 percent of Muslims in South Asia share that belief, as do 44 percent of Muslims in the Middle East, and 20 percent of Muslims in Southeast Asia." This is millions of Muslims and hundreds of thousands in Europe. "Only 18 percent of Muslims in Europe believe that sharia law should be enshrined in addition to (or in lieu of) the existing law." ONLY 18%! ONLY? That's 1/5 of EU Muslims who would prefer the law of the Koran to the laws of the people and state. Frightening.

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 17:08

Btw I'd love to hear tunder say he has nothing against islam, like you did.... But he hasnt, has he?

What is this some kind of witch hunt? You have to put a little disclaimer reminding everyone you don't hate Muslims before you post facts?

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 17:08

I dont even give a shit about this post.... the one I care about is the one that was (rightly) deleted. I'm just amazed you're defending that one....

You are literally the only one bringing up that post in this thread. If you look at my original post in this thread it's about this one and the one that wasn't deleted. So maybe you should contribute to THIS discussion or reply to the statistics I've posted above. Unless you would rather ignore facts that don't align with your worldview?

I'll reply properly when i can be bothered.... i did reply to the stats you posted. Read my edit.

In america (which is where this thing is based) its not uncommon for political parties to penetrate these kind of organisations in order to strengthen their cause... it happened with goldman sachs and the treasury.. there are documentaries on this and other examples... its really twisted.

The point i'm trying to make with my article is that the data is presented without pursueing any kind of agenda... and yes, when someone is suspected of spreading hatred it's right that they should be called out and asked to deny any repulsive views they're suspected of holding... this goes for anyone, including muslims that say disgusting stuff about jews.... so that we can shut them down before they spread their opinions... if we do this to everyone, there would be a lot less hate going around... and hate breeds crime/murder/war.. etc.

When I'm asking you to think, i'm asking you to think ahead, see how some things being said can be interpreted in these forums. It's not just the facts themselves but how they're presented
I'm trying to listen to you btw.

your views on sharia law are skewed by how its presented by (not so) islamic state, it exists in Morocco and UAE and many other peaceful countries... that aren't scary.

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 18:13

I'll reply properly when i can be bothered.... i did reply to the stats you posted. Read my edit.

In america (which is where this thing is based) its not uncommon for political parties to penetrate these kind of organisations in order to strengthen their cause... it happened with goldman sachs and the treasury.. there are documentaries on this and other examples... its really twisted.

The point i'm trying to make with my article is that the data is presented without pursueing any kind of agenda... and yes, when someone is suspected of spreading hatred it's right that they should be called out and asked to deny any repulsive views they're suspected of holding... this goes for anyone, including muslims that say disgusting stuff about jews.... so that we can shut them down before they spread their opinions... if we do this to everyone, there would be a lot less hate going around... and hate breeds crime/murder/war.. etc.

When I'm asking you to think, i'm asking you to think ahead, see how some things being said can be interpreted in these forums. It's not just the facts themselves but how they're presented
I'm trying to listen to you btw.

your views on sharia law are skewed by how its presented by (not so) islamic state, it exists in Morocco and UAE and many other peaceful countries... that aren't scary.

And I'm supposed to just take your word for it that the numerous polling organizations that suggest significant minorities (sometimes majorities) of Muslims adhere to religious dogma have all been penetrated by the Republican Party? Sounds like wild speculation on your part to me. Sounds like you're grasping for straws in the face of evidence. You're right that sharia can be interpreted in many ways, but the data clearly shows that significant Muslims interpret it in ways that are highly questionable. And yes, this is also true in peaceful countries like Morocco and the UAE.

Of course the article you posted has an agenda. The agenda is that anyone who questions Islam is ignorant or biased. I'm afraid we simply have opposing views on hate speech. You seem to think that it's best to censor and intimidate people towards tolerance and understanding. I realize that twisted strategy does more harm than good. To censor speech you need an authority that decides what is and isn't hate speech and that always leads to corruption and abuse. If you want to live in a country without hate speech I suggest Saudi Arabia or North Korea. I prefer an environment where all ideas are taken seriously and rigorously questioned.

Ecrit par Acquiesce, 13.12.2015 at 19:06

Ecrit par Phoenix, 13.12.2015 at 18:13

I'll reply properly when i can be bothered.... i did reply to the stats you posted. Read my edit.

In america (which is where this thing is based) its not uncommon for political parties to penetrate these kind of organisations in order to strengthen their cause... it happened with goldman sachs and the treasury.. there are documentaries on this and other examples... its really twisted.

The point i'm trying to make with my article is that the data is presented without pursueing any kind of agenda... and yes, when someone is suspected of spreading hatred it's right that they should be called out and asked to deny any repulsive views they're suspected of holding... this goes for anyone, including muslims that say disgusting stuff about jews.... so that we can shut them down before they spread their opinions... if we do this to everyone, there would be a lot less hate going around... and hate breeds crime/murder/war.. etc.

When I'm asking you to think, i'm asking you to think ahead, see how some things being said can be interpreted in these forums. It's not just the facts themselves but how they're presented
I'm trying to listen to you btw.

your views on sharia law are skewed by how its presented by (not so) islamic state, it exists in Morocco and UAE and many other peaceful countries... that aren't scary.

And I'm supposed to just take your word for it that the numerous polling organizations that suggest significant minorities (sometimes majorities) of Muslims adhere to religious dogma have all been penetrated by the Republican Party? Sounds like wild speculation on your part to me. Sounds like you're grasping for straws in the face of evidence. You're right that sharia can be interpreted in many ways, but the data clearly shows that significant Muslims interpret it in ways that are highly questionable. And yes, this is also true in peaceful countries like Morocco and the UAE.

Of course the article you posted has an agenda. The agenda is that anyone who questions Islam is ignorant or biased. I'm afraid we simply have opposing views on hate speech. You seem to think that it's best to censor and intimidate people towards tolerance and understanding. I realize that twisted strategy does more harm than good. To censor speech you need an authority that decides what is and isn't hate speech and that always leads to corruption and abuse. If you want to live in a country without hate speech I suggest Saudi Arabia or North Korea. I prefer an environment where all ideas are taken seriously and rigorously questioned.

Great

What i feel with Acqui is the same as with Bill Maher. How can he always be so damn right!

Because the people who own the majority media and financial institutions are Jewish and they use this nepotistic power for their own interests, which are almost always in direct opposition to everyone elses. Same goes for 'islamophobia'. Not wanting your society invaded by a hostile culture which rapes your women is not a phobia, it's a rational threat perception.

Why don't people dislike Hindus? Why isn't there a Hinduphobia? Or Anti-Hinduism? We all know.