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How do moderators make sure screenshots used by map-makers as evidence to ban someone isn't photoshopped?
Because I recently discovered it isn't too hard to make a realistic fake screenshot, so how do mods prevent players from being banned by fake evidence?

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 06:00

How do moderators make sure screenshots used by map-makers as evidence to ban someone isn't photoshopped?
Because I recently discovered it isn't too hard to make a realistic fake screenshot, so how do mods prevent players from being banned by fake evidence?

Witness.

And I really dunno someone would go so far for ban a simply player of a map.... for get false witness and false screenshot.

Kakaka... maybe we should implement systematic judicial decision-making of appeals and trials.

Spend half a year justifying your ban to the mods, then spend another half a year repeating that same thing because the fool you decided to ban complained to another mod.

Wouldn't it be lovely?

Ecrit par International, 21.12.2014 at 07:43

Kakaka... maybe we should implement systematic judicial decision-making of appeals and trials.

Spend half a year justifying your ban to the mods, then spend another half a year repeating that same thing because the fool you decided to ban complained to another mod.

Wouldn't it be lovely?

So you don't care if map-makers fake screenshots?

Ecrit par clovis1122, 21.12.2014 at 07:24

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 06:00

How do moderators make sure screenshots used by map-makers as evidence to ban someone isn't photoshopped?
Because I recently discovered it isn't too hard to make a realistic fake screenshot, so how do mods prevent players from being banned by fake evidence?

Witness.

And I really dunno someone would go so far for ban a simply player of a map.... for get false witness and false screenshot.

It's easy to get a false witness. Just ask a friend.

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 08:57

It's easy to get a false witness. Just ask a friend.

However the guy who got banned can also get witness.....

But as I said, why would a MapMarker go so far for do this?

Ecrit par clovis1122, 21.12.2014 at 08:59

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 08:57

It's easy to get a false witness. Just ask a friend.

However the guy who got banned can also get witness.....

But as I said, why would a MapMarker go so far for do this?

But if it is a fake screenshot of a game that never happened, how can I get a witness?

Well I know at least 1 retarded person that has done this to me.

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 09:01

But if it is a fake screenshot of a game that never happened

Hey bro, stop it there. We (normal users) have access to game logs. So does Moderators.

If the game never happened, we can see it in the next link:

http://atwar-game.com/users/gamelog.php

Though, let think about the "one in a million" percent that the MapMarker takes one random game in which ALL the winners are friend of the mapmarker. How mods would discover it? Well in this chase it would be very hard I admit... I cannot answer further.

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 06:00

How do moderators make sure screenshots used by map-makers as evidence to ban someone isn't photoshopped?
Because I recently discovered it isn't too hard to make a realistic fake screenshot, so how do mods prevent players from being banned by fake evidence?

Some of us run basic Image Error Level Analysis.
If SS are to small - not only in the case of map/scenario bans, but also as evidence for reports - I do not accept them as evidence. SS should always include wider areas, more than just the object of report or cause of ban.

Ecrit par clovis1122, 21.12.2014 at 09:08

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 09:01

But if it is a fake screenshot of a game that never happened

Hey bro, stop it there. We (normal users) have access to game logs. So does Moderators.

If the game never happened, we can see it in the next link:

http://atwar-game.com/users/gamelog.php

Though, let think about the "one in a million" percent that the MapMarker takes one random game in which ALL the winners are friend of the mapmarker. How mods would discover it? Well in this chase it would be very hard I admit... I cannot answer further.

Yes, but we can't see which players were in those games. Mapmakers can just point at a random game and say the ban subject was in that one.

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 09:11

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 06:00

How do moderators make sure screenshots used by map-makers as evidence to ban someone isn't photoshopped?
Because I recently discovered it isn't too hard to make a realistic fake screenshot, so how do mods prevent players from being banned by fake evidence?

Some of us run basic Image Error Level Analysis.
If SS are to small - not only in the case of map/scenario bans, but also as evidence for reports - I do not accept them as evidence. SS should always include wider areas, more than just the object of report or cause of ban.

So would this be accepted? http://i.imgur.com/sFdu2eP.png

BTW, if you zoom in on the SS you can find some strange things.

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 09:23

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 09:11

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 06:00

How do moderators make sure screenshots used by map-makers as evidence to ban someone isn't photoshopped?
Because I recently discovered it isn't too hard to make a realistic fake screenshot, so how do mods prevent players from being banned by fake evidence?

Some of us run basic Image Error Level Analysis.
If SS are to small - not only in the case of map/scenario bans, but also as evidence for reports - I do not accept them as evidence. SS should always include wider areas, more than just the object of report or cause of ban.

So would this be accepted? http://i.imgur.com/sFdu2eP.png

BTW, if you zoom in on the SS you can find some strange things.

I agree, this image has been worked on... semi-transparent upper left corner is indicative for that.
Besides, this SS is not conclusive. It just states - assuming it was not manipulated - that a player joined the game and left the first turn. Could have been a failed multi-player game that started to early with only 2 players in it. There is no evidence of more than 2 players in this game. Wouldn't accept it as a conclusive evidence for a "leaver".

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 13:47

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 09:23

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 09:11

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 06:00

How do moderators make sure screenshots used by map-makers as evidence to ban someone isn't photoshopped?
Because I recently discovered it isn't too hard to make a realistic fake screenshot, so how do mods prevent players from being banned by fake evidence?

Some of us run basic Image Error Level Analysis.
If SS are to small - not only in the case of map/scenario bans, but also as evidence for reports - I do not accept them as evidence. SS should always include wider areas, more than just the object of report or cause of ban.

So would this be accepted? http://i.imgur.com/sFdu2eP.png

BTW, if you zoom in on the SS you can find some strange things.

I agree, this image has been worked on... semi-transparent upper left corner is indicative for that.
Besides, this SS is not conclusive. It just states - assuming it was not manipulated - that a player joined the game and left the first turn. Could have been a failed multi-player game that started to early with only 2 players in it. There is no evidence of more than 2 players in this game. Wouldn't accept it as a conclusive evidence for a "leaver".

Are there any punishment for faking evidence?

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 14:59

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 13:47

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 09:23

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 09:11

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 06:00

How do moderators make sure screenshots used by map-makers as evidence to ban someone isn't photoshopped?
Because I recently discovered it isn't too hard to make a realistic fake screenshot, so how do mods prevent players from being banned by fake evidence?

Some of us run basic Image Error Level Analysis.
If SS are to small - not only in the case of map/scenario bans, but also as evidence for reports - I do not accept them as evidence. SS should always include wider areas, more than just the object of report or cause of ban.

So would this be accepted? http://i.imgur.com/sFdu2eP.png

BTW, if you zoom in on the SS you can find some strange things.

I agree, this image has been worked on... semi-transparent upper left corner is indicative for that.
Besides, this SS is not conclusive. It just states - assuming it was not manipulated - that a player joined the game and left the first turn. Could have been a failed multi-player game that started to early with only 2 players in it. There is no evidence of more than 2 players in this game. Wouldn't accept it as a conclusive evidence for a "leaver".

Are there any punishment for faking evidence?

There could be. It always depends for what purpose an image has been photoshopped.
The issue with this image is not really its authenticity but rather that this SS is not evidence enough to make the case of a "leaver". It does not show if there have been more than 2 layers in the game; it does not indicate if it was a legit game that has been affected by the leaving player. That is actually the point.

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 15:47

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 14:59

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 13:47

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 09:23

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 09:11

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 06:00

How do moderators make sure screenshots used by map-makers as evidence to ban someone isn't photoshopped?
Because I recently discovered it isn't too hard to make a realistic fake screenshot, so how do mods prevent players from being banned by fake evidence?

Some of us run basic Image Error Level Analysis.
If SS are to small - not only in the case of map/scenario bans, but also as evidence for reports - I do not accept them as evidence. SS should always include wider areas, more than just the object of report or cause of ban.

So would this be accepted? http://i.imgur.com/sFdu2eP.png

BTW, if you zoom in on the SS you can find some strange things.

I agree, this image has been worked on... semi-transparent upper left corner is indicative for that.
Besides, this SS is not conclusive. It just states - assuming it was not manipulated - that a player joined the game and left the first turn. Could have been a failed multi-player game that started to early with only 2 players in it. There is no evidence of more than 2 players in this game. Wouldn't accept it as a conclusive evidence for a "leaver".

Are there any punishment for faking evidence?

There could be. It always depends for what purpose an image has been photoshopped.
The issue with this image is not really its authenticity but rather that this SS is not evidence enough to make the case of a "leaver". It does not show if there have been more than 2 layers in the game; it does not indicate if it was a legit game that has been affected by the leaving player. That is actually the point.

Yes, I understand that, but the SS is still photoshopped with the intent of getting map-makers to ban me.
That should be punishable.

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 16:08

Yes, I understand that, but the SS is still photoshopped with the intent of getting map-makers to ban me.
That should be punishable.

There is something about people who create evidence against another player which, in my view, is far more malicious and hostile.

I don't think it needs to be said, but apparently there are people (presumably the people who see nothing wrong with fabricating evidence) who are able to justify creating evidence against another player.

Keep in mind, the idea behind any moderator intervention is to make the game more enjoyable for those who play. Not only is a 'photo-shopper' being deceptive, and not only is he ruining the 'target's' ability to enjoy the game, but he's now wasting moderator time, who presumably didn't join AW to begin their own CSI and forensics department.

In my view, if a player has been determined to photoshop with the intent of getting another player banned, it not only should be considered, as Swash says, 'punishable' but should carry the highest penalty AW offers. Those members who photoshop to seek retribution have no place in our community.

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 09:01

Ecrit par clovis1122, 21.12.2014 at 08:59

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 08:57

It's easy to get a false witness. Just ask a friend.

However the guy who got banned can also get witness.....

But as I said, why would a MapMarker go so far for do this?

But if it is a fake screenshot of a game that never happened, how can I get a witness?

Well I know at least 1 retarded person that has done this to me.

Who is this retarded person?

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 15:47

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 14:59

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 13:47

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 09:23

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 09:11

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 06:00

How do moderators make sure screenshots used by map-makers as evidence to ban someone isn't photoshopped?
Because I recently discovered it isn't too hard to make a realistic fake screenshot, so how do mods prevent players from being banned by fake evidence?

Some of us run basic Image Error Level Analysis.
If SS are to small - not only in the case of map/scenario bans, but also as evidence for reports - I do not accept them as evidence. SS should always include wider areas, more than just the object of report or cause of ban.

So would this be accepted? http://i.imgur.com/sFdu2eP.png

BTW, if you zoom in on the SS you can find some strange things.

I agree, this image has been worked on... semi-transparent upper left corner is indicative for that.
Besides, this SS is not conclusive. It just states - assuming it was not manipulated - that a player joined the game and left the first turn. Could have been a failed multi-player game that started to early with only 2 players in it. There is no evidence of more than 2 players in this game. Wouldn't accept it as a conclusive evidence for a "leaver".

Are there any punishment for faking evidence?

There could be. It always depends for what purpose an image has been photoshopped.
The issue with this image is not really its authenticity but rather that this SS is not evidence enough to make the case of a "leaver". It does not show if there have been more than 2 layers in the game; it does not indicate if it was a legit game that has been affected by the leaving player. That is actually the point.

Oh that. Yeah that wasn't mine. It was submitted by an EC member, I was so happy ^_^.

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 15:47

There could be. It always depends for what purpose an image has been photoshopped.
The issue with this image is not really its authenticity but rather that this SS is not evidence enough to make the case of a "leaver". It does not show if there have been more than 2 layers in the game; it does not indicate if it was a legit game that has been affected by the leaving player. That is actually the point.

I agree with Columna, there is no evidence to show that real damage had occured. You know what would tell me to revoke that ban,.. hmm... the Senate. Too bad the Senate is well, dead. Isn't it Swash ^_^. The EC will continue with this ban.

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 06:00

Ecrit par Professor Adog, 26.12.2014 at 17:54

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 09:01

Ecrit par clovis1122, 21.12.2014 at 08:59

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 08:57

It's easy to get a false witness. Just ask a friend.

However the guy who got banned can also get witness.....

But as I said, why would a MapMarker go so far for do this?

But if it is a fake screenshot of a game that never happened, how can I get a witness?

Well I know at least 1 retarded person that has done this to me.

Who is this retarded person?

Guess.

Ecrit par Professor Adog, 26.12.2014 at 17:56

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 15:47

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 14:59

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 13:47

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 09:23

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 09:11

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 06:00

How do moderators make sure screenshots used by map-makers as evidence to ban someone isn't photoshopped?
Because I recently discovered it isn't too hard to make a realistic fake screenshot, so how do mods prevent players from being banned by fake evidence?

Some of us run basic Image Error Level Analysis.
If SS are to small - not only in the case of map/scenario bans, but also as evidence for reports - I do not accept them as evidence. SS should always include wider areas, more than just the object of report or cause of ban.

So would this be accepted? http://i.imgur.com/sFdu2eP.png

BTW, if you zoom in on the SS you can find some strange things.

I agree, this image has been worked on... semi-transparent upper left corner is indicative for that.
Besides, this SS is not conclusive. It just states - assuming it was not manipulated - that a player joined the game and left the first turn. Could have been a failed multi-player game that started to early with only 2 players in it. There is no evidence of more than 2 players in this game. Wouldn't accept it as a conclusive evidence for a "leaver".

Are there any punishment for faking evidence?

There could be. It always depends for what purpose an image has been photoshopped.
The issue with this image is not really its authenticity but rather that this SS is not evidence enough to make the case of a "leaver". It does not show if there have been more than 2 layers in the game; it does not indicate if it was a legit game that has been affected by the leaving player. That is actually the point.

Oh that. Yeah that wasn't mine. It was submitted by an EC member, I was so happy ^_^.

Yeah, right.

If that is true tell us who.

Ecrit par Professor Adog, 26.12.2014 at 17:58

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 15:47

There could be. It always depends for what purpose an image has been photoshopped.
The issue with this image is not really its authenticity but rather that this SS is not evidence enough to make the case of a "leaver". It does not show if there have been more than 2 layers in the game; it does not indicate if it was a legit game that has been affected by the leaving player. That is actually the point.

I agree with Columna, there is no evidence to show that real damage had occured. You know what would tell me to revoke that ban,.. hmm... the Senate. Too bad the Senate is well, dead. Isn't it Swash ^_^. The EC will continue with this ban.

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 06:00

It wasn't the idea it was the executors.

The Senate would have ended up like a retard concentration camp just like the EC, just look how retarded the EC became.
Now, imagine a coalition with MORE retarded bitchbags like tunder and aetius in charge in ADDITION to you.

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 27.12.2014 at 14:10

Ecrit par Professor Adog, 26.12.2014 at 17:58

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 15:47

There could be. It always depends for what purpose an image has been photoshopped.
The issue with this image is not really its authenticity but rather that this SS is not evidence enough to make the case of a "leaver". It does not show if there have been more than 2 layers in the game; it does not indicate if it was a legit game that has been affected by the leaving player. That is actually the point.

I agree with Columna, there is no evidence to show that real damage had occured. You know what would tell me to revoke that ban,.. hmm... the Senate. Too bad the Senate is well, dead. Isn't it Swash ^_^. The EC will continue with this ban.

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 06:00

It wasn't the idea it was the executors.

The Senate would have ended up like a retard concentration camp just like the EC, just look how retarded the EC became.
Now, imagine a coalition with MORE retarded bitchbags like tunder and aetius in charge in ADDITION to you.

Lol. You are so autistic. EC is just an Adog dictatorship right now. Not an opressive dictatorship. EC is becoming democratic though. Also Bactria may be assimilated into the EU forming a ruling committee called the ECB. ^_^

Ecrit par Professor Adog, 27.12.2014 at 14:53

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 27.12.2014 at 14:10

Ecrit par Professor Adog, 26.12.2014 at 17:58

Ecrit par Columna Durruti, 21.12.2014 at 15:47

There could be. It always depends for what purpose an image has been photoshopped.
The issue with this image is not really its authenticity but rather that this SS is not evidence enough to make the case of a "leaver". It does not show if there have been more than 2 layers in the game; it does not indicate if it was a legit game that has been affected by the leaving player. That is actually the point.

I agree with Columna, there is no evidence to show that real damage had occured. You know what would tell me to revoke that ban,.. hmm... the Senate. Too bad the Senate is well, dead. Isn't it Swash ^_^. The EC will continue with this ban.

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 21.12.2014 at 06:00

It wasn't the idea it was the executors.

The Senate would have ended up like a retard concentration camp just like the EC, just look how retarded the EC became.
Now, imagine a coalition with MORE retarded bitchbags like tunder and aetius in charge in ADDITION to you.

Lol. You are so autistic. EC is just an Adog dictatorship right now. Not an opressive dictatorship. EC is becoming democratic though. Also Bactria may be assimilated into the EU forming a ruling committee called the ECB. ^_^

Yes EC is an adog dicktatorship and a retard concentration camp.
If you merge with Bacteria you will have 50% $enate autism.

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 28.12.2014 at 10:12

Ecrit par Professor Adog, 27.12.2014 at 14:53

Lol. You are so autistic. EC is just an Adog dictatorship right now. Not an opressive dictatorship. EC is becoming democratic though. Also Bactria may be assimilated into the EU forming a ruling committee called the ECB. ^_^

Yes EC is an adog dicktatorship and a retard concentration camp.
If you merge with Bacteria you will have 50% $enate autism.

You don't even make sense. Why are you bringing up the holocaust? We're not jewish, you crazy nut.
No it won't be the like senate. The senate had rules and regulations set to limit abuse. Too bad it's gone ^_^.

Ecrit par Professor Adog, 28.12.2014 at 10:15

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 28.12.2014 at 10:12

Ecrit par Professor Adog, 27.12.2014 at 14:53

Lol. You are so autistic. EC is just an Adog dictatorship right now. Not an opressive dictatorship. EC is becoming democratic though. Also Bactria may be assimilated into the EU forming a ruling committee called the ECB. ^_^

Yes EC is an adog dicktatorship and a retard concentration camp.
If you merge with Bacteria you will have 50% $enate autism.

You don't even make sense. Why are you bringing up the holocaust? We're not jewish, you crazy nut.
No it won't be the like senate. The senate had rules and regulations set to limit abuse. Too bad it's gone ^_^.

Concentration camps doesn't have to be jewish tard.

$enate would have ended up just like EC. That was inevitable with retard leaders like you, tunder and aetius.

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 28.12.2014 at 10:18

Concentration camps doesn't have to be jewish tard.

$enate would have ended up just like EC. That was inevitable with retard leaders like you, tunder and aetius.

>Retard leaders.
Ok maybe Tunder3 and I fight from time to time, but we are sensible.
Aetius is a hypocrit, but he's fair and neutral.

There is a large difference, you see my friend, The Senate was democratic. While the EC is a dictatorship, and Bactria is imperialist.
Senate had regulations, Tik-Tok and other consuls kept bans in check. In the EC or Bactria, that doesn't happen anymore. ^_^

Ecrit par Professor Adog, 28.12.2014 at 10:20

Ecrit par Milton Friedman, 28.12.2014 at 10:18

Concentration camps doesn't have to be jewish tard.

$enate would have ended up just like EC. That was inevitable with retard leaders like you, tunder and aetius.

>Retard leaders.
Ok maybe Tunder3 and I fight from time to time, but we are sensible.
Aetius is a hypocrit, but he's fair and neutral.

Yeah, sensible enough to fake evidence and abuse banlist.

Also how can you be fair and neutral while at the same time being a hypocrite?

Citer:

There is a large difference, you see my friend, The Senate was democratic. While the EC is a dictatorship, and Bactria is imperialist.
Senate had regulations, Tik-Tok and other consuls kept bans in check. In the EC or Bactria, that doesn't happen anymore. ^_^

Well, you just openly admitted to lead an abusive shithole.

Bitches please..shut up..

Ecrit par Khal.eesi, 28.12.2014 at 11:06

Bitches please..shut up..

I will sue you for threatening my popcorn buisness, in-direct slander and attempted robbery