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Posté par Aetius, 22.08.2016 - 10:29
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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game

gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families

Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.

Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.

Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.


Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power

Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.

Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…

Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.

Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.

Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.

At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.

Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.


At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.

Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.

Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.

Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out

07.10.2016 - 17:04
As Pontifex I appoint Vale as priest
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07.10.2016 - 17:21
Donate all to the cause
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07.10.2016 - 20:54
Roll for equite

rest on rome
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08.10.2016 - 01:35
Changing land bills from permanent to permanent until repealed... Either poor hosting or blatant bias. If they knew they could repeal land bills they would have done so while you were the rebels. I guarantee they were under the impression they could not be changed.
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08.10.2016 - 01:44
Ecrit par Phoenix, 08.10.2016 at 01:35

Changing land bills from permanent to permanent until repealed... Either poor hosting or blatant bias. If they knew they could repeal land bills they would have done so while you were the rebels. I guarantee they were under the impression they could not be changed.


You're getting desperate, all you do is ignorantly shitpost you autist.
It has always been an option to repeal land bills. , its not my job as host to handhold every low effort player in this game. And no, they couldn't have repealed land bills because their unrest was high af and they couldn't afford to raise their unrest

this pic has always been in rules
http://i.imgur.com/zgBeMXc.png
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08.10.2016 - 02:04
Ecrit par Aetius, 08.10.2016 at 01:44

Ecrit par Phoenix, 08.10.2016 at 01:35


Words


And no, they couldn't have repealed land bills because their unrest was high af and they couldn't afford to raise their unrest


I can tell you that we did consider it, but Aetius is right we were at 10 one turn I think. No way we were going to have enough money to bring unrest down after repealing a tier 3 land bill
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08.10.2016 - 02:58
Gg Phoenix your autism is showing

>says he guarantees they thought they couldn't repeal landbills
>is proven wrong by rebel leader
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08.10.2016 - 05:27
Ecrit par Aetius, 08.10.2016 at 01:44

Ecrit par Phoenix, 08.10.2016 at 01:35

Changing land bills from permanent to permanent until repealed... Either poor hosting or blatant bias. If they knew they could repeal land bills they would have done so while you were the rebels. I guarantee they were under the impression they could not be changed.


You're getting desperate, all you do is ignorantly shitpost you autist.
It has always been an option to repeal land bills. , its not my job as host to handhold every low effort player in this game. And no, they couldn't have repealed land bills because their unrest was high af and they couldn't afford to raise their unrest

this pic has always been in rules
http://i.imgur.com/zgBeMXc.png


I'm not desperate for anything, I wasn't a low effort player, I read the rules and that picture does not explain anything about land bills being repealed. I'm pointing out the flaws in your hosting, so that if you or someone else decides to remake, they can implement improvements to address these flaws.

Your job as host is to clarify the rules and reinforce them. You didn't clarify a rule.
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08.10.2016 - 07:35
Ecrit par MrArmy987, 08.10.2016 at 02:04

Ecrit par Aetius, 08.10.2016 at 01:44

Ecrit par Phoenix, 08.10.2016 at 01:35


Words


And no, they couldn't have repealed land bills because their unrest was high af and they couldn't afford to raise their unrest


I can tell you that we did consider it, but Aetius is right we were at 10 one turn I think. No way we were going to have enough money to bring unrest down after repealing a tier 3 land bill


You could have repelled a tier 2 land bill when we had low unrest. But you didnt wanted to do shit.
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08.10.2016 - 08:49
Ecrit par Aetius, 22.08.2016 at 10:30

A rebel Faction conquer the whole republic in a civil war (not if the republic has 4 wars at end of the combat phase both lose)


So? Isn't this fulfilled?
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08.10.2016 - 10:00
Ecrit par Meester, 08.10.2016 at 08:49

Ecrit par Aetius, 22.08.2016 at 10:30

A rebel Faction conquer the whole republic in a civil war (not if the republic has 4 wars at end of the combat phase both lose)


So? Isn't this fulfilled?

It's capture all enemy cities. We have to reclaim the entire republic. If you guys had your full Army and hadn't suicided in Greece, I could see Rome changing hands between us (maybe)
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08.10.2016 - 12:46
==Turn 25: Phase 2 has begun==
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08.10.2016 - 12:50
Vote 1 to everything
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08.10.2016 - 13:05
Vote 1 to everything
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08.10.2016 - 13:09
Vote 1 to everything
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"Another such victory and I come back to Epirus alone" - Pyrrhus of Epirus
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08.10.2016 - 13:38
Same as Pyrrhus
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08.10.2016 - 13:45
Ecrit par Pyrrhus, 08.10.2016 at 13:09

Vote 1 to everything

Same, except consul ( 2) aetius )
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08.10.2016 - 15:59
Ecrit par Need Mental Help, 08.10.2016 at 13:45

Same, except consul ( 2) aetius )
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==Turn 25: Phase 3 has begun==
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08.10.2016 - 22:54
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09.10.2016 - 02:35
RIP Senate
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09.10.2016 - 02:52

Battle of Cartago Nova
Gaius Marius Maximus (Pyrrhus ) (Flanking)
(18 Fleets + 4 skill + 2 bonus)=24 strength
Metellus Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu)(Envelopment)
(14 Fleets + 4 skill + 2 bonus) = 20 strength
Battle Roll: 9 (+4 from greater strength) +4 from tactical counter=17
Result: Decisive Victory

Metellus Cornelius Scipio, attempting to halt the naval invasion of Further Spain, set sail from Utica on an intercept course. Around Carthago Nova, both fleets met in battle. Although the numbers on each side were fairly equal, Scipio made in error in his tactic to attempt an envelop the populare forces. Captains under marius massed together on the right and broke the envelopment with ease thuse dooming the entire strategy. The entire senatorial fleet was driven onto the rocks, they were killed or tried to escape to Antonius forces. Scipio himself managed to flee back to Africa to prepare a last ditch defense.



Populare Casualties
1 Fleet

Exiled Senate Casualties
All Fleets routed or destroyed



Battle of Hispalis
Gaius Marius Maximus (Pyrrhus ) (Flanking)
(11 Legions + 4 Evocati + 2 veterans + 4 skill + 2 bonus)=33 strength
Marcus Antonius (El Tundero)(Surprise Attack)
(2 Legions +4 Provincial Legions +7 Auxilliares+2 skill) = 15 strength
Battle Roll: 11 (+17 from greater strength) +4 from tactical counter=32
Result: Decisive Victory

After defeating the fleet, the land forces landed at Gades and marched inland setting up a camp. Marius, by now a veteran general had scouted the position of Antonius and watched his movements. The army under Antonius was quite large but composed of numerous iberian tribal warriors and cavalry who were ill-regarded. Marius pretended as if his encampment was weakly defended and Antonius fell for the trap. At night the senatorial forces charged the populare camp but found the tents empty. At the signal of horns, the veteran legions in the surrounding vicinity, and cavalry swarmed down upon the senate rabble and slaughtered them with incredible ease. Antonius himself has been captured in the battle, and will be "dragged" to face trial in the senate. All of Hispania has now fallen under populare control.


Marius gains a veteran legion, Legio II Martius
Marius promotes a veteran legion, Legio V Macedonica, to Evocati


Populare Casualties
Minimal

Exiled Senate Casualties
Total--Routed


....Now the Rebels may recruit and attack (lol)
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09.10.2016 - 03:03
I recruit as many fleets and auxiliary fleets as possible
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09.10.2016 - 08:04
Nice job suiciding your entire fleet

Evidently you guys didn't learn not to give complete military command to Zeph after him suiciding on Greece...
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09.10.2016 - 10:57
 Mobster (Mod)
I want to play as ottoman emperor
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09.10.2016 - 11:33
Ecrit par Darth., 09.10.2016 at 08:04

Nice job suiciding your entire fleet

Evidently you guys didn't learn not to give complete military command to Zeph after him suiciding on Greece...

Turtling in Africa was a better idea in your opinion? Ok.
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09.10.2016 - 20:30
==Turn 26: Phase 1 has begun==
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09.10.2016 - 21:30
 Witch-Doctor (Mod)
Chariot Race
Rest to rome.
Use tribune to nominate myself as governor of Cilicia-Cyprus
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09.10.2016 - 21:46
3 talents to Rome, all other income used to raise auxiliary legions in Asia Minor. I shall not lose it to the likes of Pontus.

Furthermore, I leave a legate in charge of Asia Minor.
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09.10.2016 - 22:27
Are governors still in their provinces now with the new law?
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