UK Snap Election 2017
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Posté par Pheonixking929, 09.06.2017 - 11:58
Conservatives/Tories- Largest party in Parliament and originallly seen as potentially the only viable party after Brexit. Many, including myself, saw a "one party state" arising due to a lack of opposition. Tories today are keen on Brexit (but split between a "soft" or "hard" brexit) and Theresa May's time as PM might come to an end if and when her minority government falls apart (I suspect by the end of the year).
Labour- Jeremy Corbyn basically did a hostile takeover of this party bringing in tens o thousands of new voters and pushing it the the far left. They are calling for nationalizing industries and railways, a maximum wage, increasing the minimum wage, etc
Liberal-Dems: insignificant little buggers. They are basically Labour. When labour goes center-left, Liberal gems go far left, and vice versa. They maintained a coalition government with Camerons government but were later decimated in the 2014 general elections
UKIP- Brexiteers basically. UKIP has lost all of its seats now, most voters have flocked to the Tories. Its leader has resigned today
SNP- Basically Labour who want Scotland to be an independent party
DUP- an Irish Unionist party now in coalition with the Tories.
Sinn Féin- Irish Nationalist party that came close to having a majority in their devolved parliament.
****I will add more information on this, I am just busy right now but want to ge a jump start on this****
Sondage
Who did you vote for (or would vote for)?
Tories
9
Labour
7
Liberal Dems
4
UKIP
3
SNP
0
DUP
0
Sein Fein
1
Other
2
Total des votes: 26
I meant that your government is fucking up with Catalonia the wrong way, hostilizing them
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Oh right, my bad, I totally misunderstood! XD yup, but... I don't think PP has ever learnt to manage problems in a different way than fucking up even more... they have used this "catalonian nationalism" to split up even further the country and make them seem evil, anti-spanish, anti-constitutional, etc. They've even used to this to change the focus from their own corruption, which is super despicable. Spain is on an ignorant fucking up streak and if things keep going like this I might consider moving with you to Portugal  #spanishrefugees
---- Don't ever look down on someone unless you're helping him up. Don't ever treat someone else the way you wouldn't want others to treat you. We're all people. 
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Lisbon and Porto are good places, you've got plenty of good cities to pick haha
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Quick question about Spanish politics- is their any group that still holds ties to Franco? I read a book called "The Oil Kings" and it brought up spanish politics in the '70's when there was a referendum on restoring (I think) democracy. The book said there was still large segments of the population in support of Franco, even after his death. I was wondering if this belief is still present in Spain as a major influence on a political party or just a small extent (like the Pied noire in France)
---- Everyone is living a myth and it's important to know what yours is. It could be a tragedy- and maybe you don't want it to be.
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That referendum was a setup to distract people from the real content on the newly written constitution and the reformed institutions. These are written and designed as a continuation of the same there were in the dictatorship, minor tweaks were done and usa was there supervise that nothing out of the ordinary happened such as the introduction of communist ideas or the abolition of monarchy. Thus, dictatorship is pretty much still influent in our country, our institucions, our pilicies... even if we prefer to think of ourselves as a good democracy or ignore this huge influence. As a ideology, there's still people that praise Franco for his supposedly great dictatorship, there's even people that want a dictatorship back. Furthermore, PP is a political party built from ex-high influencial dignataries and is supposedly the biggest political party in our current political scene. There's even a fascist political party, La Falange. A majority of our military and police leaders still have this sort of right wing mentality leanings. So, externally, the dictatorial influence can be a bit hard to find, but if you meticulously investigate, you can still find many many influences, some of them still relatively impactful.
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There's saudosists of the Iberian dictatorships in both countries. Fascism with the current economical crisis in Portugal kinda got a bit 'lightened up', with older people claiming that with Salazar, recession and disorder wouldn't have never taken place. Kinda like Portugal and since they have similar social structures rurally-speaking, support for a dictatorship comes from some of the old-lineage conservative families with large properties in the interior, at least in Portugal, that's the case. This takes place in both countries. I've personally heard from a rich spanish family in a dinner with relatives of mine that with Franco, Spain wouldn't be a circus show for petty political intrigue and economic disaster.
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Quite the stereotypical statement... And don't forget about the typical: "With Franco, youth behaved better", or "When Franco was in power, youth actually listened and worked"
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They say the same with Salazar: "With Salazar, society would be in order", "With Salazar, we actually had a good economy", "With Salazar we had strenght and influence", "Democracy would be a progressive event rather than triggered by a revolution of União Nacional (Dictatorship party) wasn't ousted from power". Also it was quite of an accurate stereotypical statement, in times of crisis, people tend to look to the past to find stability. They usually find some stability in Dictatorships.
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